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A description of my journey to improve my eyesight naturally

VIP for Dec 4th December 5, 2008

Filed under: My Daily Progress — sassisailor @ 4:00 pm

I took a break today and didn’t do any specific vision improvement or chart work.  I did keep my awareness at the top of my head though and have noticed that my visual acuity is definitely (subjectively) better than normal — though I don’t have any measurements to quantify this.


12 Responses to “VIP for Dec 4th”

  1. Nancy Says:

    I agree that awareness is central to NVI. I keep reminding myself to put my attention at the top of my head as I keep forgetting, & am hoping this becomes my natural habit eventually, as it does seem to help my vision. I’m about to write a bit more in my blog about doing this today so you can see that if you want.

  2. Otis Says:

    First majority-opinion ODs think Engineers are incompetent, and can not make objective measurements of BOTH Visual Acuity and refractive STATE.

    i.e., you must RUN to an OD, pay $200 for an “objective” measurement. I have my own trial-lens kit, and do much better, and that only cost me $50.

    But since this is a matter of “Sematics”, here is another issue.

    You were below 20/200 when you started. That is below the “Legal Blindness” level. Here is Judy’s “cut” on my statement:


    Re: Why a child’s vision — will become a “lost cause”.

    Dear Judy,

    I always put “legal blindness” in quotes — so there
    is NO DOUBT about it. I then go on to say
    that this is normally defined as 20/200. I think
    a person can be intelligent to understand that issue,
    and be clear about the degree of success you
    have when you go from 20/300 to the normal range
    of 20/70 to 20/40.



    Judy> If you want to make the point that someone won’t function well
    without glasse, simply use words other than “legally blind without glasses”.



    Since I am an engineer — I will use the term “Legal Blindness” as I please. Judy does not dictate science, nor the English language.

    But this is the REAL PROBLEM with Judy. Extreme arrogance. That is why Bates could never get beyond his 1913 study. Until we can deal with THAT, preventive progress is almost impossible.

    Sassy — it is to your credit that you have managed to avoid people like Judy — and achieve what you have thus far.



  3. Otis Says:


    There are intelligent and SUPPORTIVE ODs, Ph.Ds, who are behind prevention all the way.

    They respect YOU and your efforts. Others are dumb as dirt.

    Who hear has a problem when I describe the inablity to read the 20/200 as “legal blindness”?

    If that is a big issue for an OD — then please, find another OD like Dr. Liberman.


    Re: Why a child’s vision — will become a “lost cause”.

    [ Answer — it becomes a lost cause because of
    dense ODs like majority-opinion Judy — who
    are hostile towards preventive methods. ]


    Dear Judy,

    Subject: Trusting the scientific intelligence
    of the person.

    Re: I think a wise person can figure it out.




    — In, “drjudy65” wrote:

    Otis> > Dear Judy,

    I always put “legal blindness” in quotes

    Judy> You put a lot of words in quotes, does that mean all those words are being incorrectly used?


  4. Otis Says:

    I am a strong advocate for Bates/Prentice methods.
    I deeply regret that these majority-opinion to not
    volunteer information about the risks of:

    1. The minus lens (proven beyond reasonable doubt).
    After you go down from that over-prescribed minus, and
    get below “legal blindness”, then they offer Lasik,

    2. But now they don’t tell you about the many problems
    of Lasik — as reviewed in this video.

    But all these problems start — because some dense optometrist argues that you are not Legally Blind with 20/400 vision BECAUSE YOU CAN GET A -6 DIOPTER LENS AND “CORRECT IT” in 10 minutes in his office.

    In both these instances we are victims of an office-blindness that is so deep — it is hard to believe it.

    If at times your effort to clear your Snellen is frustrating — keep the above in mind.


  5. Otis Says:

    Sassy — fellow Engineer.
    Both of us have done the hard logical and mathmatical work of Electrial Enginener. It is not easy.

    But of us are “academics”, in our own way. But it is hard for me to understand these OD “organizations” that ALWAYS REFUSE TO PRESENT OR DISCUSS DR. BATES, DR. PRENTICE, ODs who OBJECT to the minus lens.

    Worse, they would never allow me to present the concept of “academic prevention”. I would be run out of the room on a “rail” — in the same way that Bate’s 1913 study was quashed. I truly object to that non-scienctific attitude.

    Here is an example of “exclusion” in a PRESUMED scientific forum. There ability to “control” what is presented is incredible. The example is this so-called “Orinda Study”, like it is the be-all and end-all of optometry-science.

    Where is a review of Dr. Bates proposal? Where is the proposal of a preventive study using Bates/Prentice methods.

    Where is the challenge to the student who NEEDS to learn how to get out of it (using Prentice methods)?

    Here is their “study” in California.


    Re: The Orinda Study

    The Third Annual Berkeley Conference on Translational Research

    “Fifty Years after the Orinda Study — What Have We Learned
    About Myopia and Refractive Development”

    UC Berkeley ~ June 6–7, 2009

    The Third Annual Conference on Translational Research will
    commemorate the 50th anniversary of the landmark Orinda Study—the
    first study leading to effective vision screening for children. The
    program will feature discussions on the etiology, prevention, and
    treatment of refractive error, as well as a poster session. This will
    be a must-attend event for the eye care professional.


    Session 3: Saturday, June 6

    2:00-3:30 PM

    Is Optical Control of Myopia a Reality? (Chair: Christine Wildsoet,
    OD, PhD)

    Earl Smith III, OD, PhD

    Greenman-Petty Professor, University of Houston College of Optometry;
    world leader in animal-based myopia research

    Jane Gwiazda, PhD
    Professor of Vision Science, New England College of Optometry,
    Boston; principal investigator on the COMET (Correction of Myopia
    Evaluation Trial) study

    Thomas Aller, OD
    University of California-Berkeley Alumni; private practitioner
    involved in practice-based research & principal investigator on the
    first myopia control study involving bifocal soft contact lenses

    Panel Discussion (Chair: Brien Holden)
    Includes speakers, industry representatives and Christine Wildsoet to
    field questions about optical control myopia

    Screening Survey:


    I feel “cheated” but this blindness. But there is nothing I can do about it.

    Tragically, the National Eye Institute takes this same none-scientific attitude.


  6. helenacampbell Says:

    I got my boyfriend to do some palming yesterday (he’s myopic, too, but his prescription is much weaker than mine–I think with my -4.5s I have the same vision as him, roughly). He said it felt like his eyes flew out of his head. I’ve never had that feeling, does anyone know about this? For me, though, it just feels like my eyes are fluttering around a lot, I’m not sure what to make of this. What should I do?

  7. Otis Says:

    In Engineering, you attempt to “visualize”, the problem.
    Thus when Dr. Bates insisted that a minus was a “bad idea”, it was difficult to visualize WHY it was a bad idea.

    The proof for this understanding of Bates did not exist when he attempted to prevent the use of a minus in 1913.

    Here is a video of exactly the effect that a minus has on the eye’s refractive STATE. Take a look at the blue-tint animation in this “Myopia Primer”. Had I known of this effect of the minus — I NEVER would have used it. If there is to be a “future” for prevention, then the person must understand that Dr. Bates was correct in his intutive scientific judgment of that minus lens.

    I would be curious as to your commentary on that video of the eye’s responsiveness to an applied minus lens.



  8. sassisailor Says:

    Hey Helena,

    Wierd! I’ve never heard anybody describe palming experiences like this before. Unfortunately, I don’t know that any of us here can tell you what you should do per se, but I wouldn’t be worried. Covering your eyes with your hands is not something “dangerous”, but personally I wouldn’t do it if it was uncomfortable. Some methods work better than others for some people. Perhaps long swings would be more relaxing for both of you?

    One note however: I don’t know what books you’ve read or what sites you’ve visited to learn about palming, but be sure that neither of you are pressing your hands against your face really hard. The palms should LIGHTLY cover the eyes without pressure. It should be very relaxing. It’s almos tlike you’re a kid again and covering your eyes for hide and seek. It should be light-hearted, relaxing, and not stressful or straining.

    Keep us updated!

  9. Nancy Says:

    Helena & Sassy,
    About the palming, Sassy’s right that the contact of your hands should be gentle, not mashing into your face. The palms should be cupped so the eyeballs aren’t being touched, & the nose free to breathe: the hands should be angled a bit so the fingers cross over each other on the forehead. The goal is total blackness, shutting out of all light, leading to total relaxation. If your boyfriend felt scared or confronted or anything negative like that, either he’s dong it wrong or this isn’t the exercise for him (maybe both). Here’s a YouTube video that shows the correct hand position.

    This is 1 of my favorite vision exercises, personally.

  10. sassisailor Says:


    That LASIK you tube video was interesting 🙂 I agree with their point though. HOWEVER, I must say that while I do think the LASIK practitioners do know of the risks, I think most of the patients know of the risks and the majority of the responsibility should be on the patient. This is an UNNECESSARY surgery, and as a result, it is that person’s responsibility to determine the risks and decide if it’s worth it. I won’t get too fired up about this and write a long comment because it won’t change anything, but the LASIK doctors are servicing the people who want clear vision fast, even with all the consequences.

    I have a very good friend, who was turned down for LASIK by TWO different doctors, not just one — And then she kept looking until she found one that would cut her eyes even though she has a bad eye disorder and should NEVER have had LASIK. In my opinion, in this case, she is completely to blame if she has any problems from LASIK. She knew of the risk, but wanted it so bad she went ahead with it anyway. Shame on the other doctor of course, but that’s life. Where there’s a buck to be made, somebody will be there to make it. As long as there are people willing to have their eyes cut up, with all the risks, there will be people willing to fill that role. Enough said 🙂

    People still smoke cigarettes (why?! they know better, do we blame the cigarette makers? I don’t. Yes, in a perfect world everyone would refuse to make them knowing they cause cancer, but there is a market for them and people will smoke them even though they KNOW they cause cancer)… I’m convinced that even if everybody KNEW they could improve their vision naturally, it would just take a few years, and dedication everyday to the method, very few people would do it and most everyone would still wear glasses, contacts, and get LASIK. I think this is why it is so vitally important for everyone to take responsibility for their own decisions because if we all took more interest in our health, then we would be able to protent our children better, and the cycle could be broken over generations. As is, we place too much trust in the collective culture and think that if something is popular it must be OK. In the end, we can only help those who are willing to help themselves.

    Lastly, I can’t help but extrapolate to ODs. I said this wouldn’t be a long post, but here goes. I used to get so angry that my eye doctors kept putting me in glasses. But you know what, they probably didn’t know that there was a better way, my parents didn’t know better, and the ODs have been trained to believe that what they’re doing is correct. I don’t think there are many eye doctors who would prescribe glasses for patients if they TRULY knew that natural improvement was possible. My Dad’s eye doctor doesn’t over-prescribe because he knows of these dangers. No surprise, my dad’s eyes haven’t changed in a long time and they’re much better than mine. The change for something like this is going to have to take many open-minded ODs like Liberman to put pressure on the NEI, and a bottom-up revolution from peopel like us. But even then, it will only make a difference if it starts with prevention with the children — as you advocate. Otherwise, as above, people will not be willing to put in the time to reverse the myopia, and then we’re at square one. But if more and more people learn about staircase myopia, and plus prevention, then our children, and then their children, will live glasses free and never get into this cycle in the first place.


  11. Helena Says:

    Really? I thought it might be a sign of the eyes relaxing. My fluttering eyes might actually be saccadic eye movements, I thought (I never know what to make of it when I notice my eyes fluttering about–I can stop it, but if it’s a good thing I don’t want to, at the same time I don’t want to force it to go on). I like how it feels.
    Sometimes my hands get heavy on my eyes, not on purpose because it’s not like I’m mashing them in, but just after awhile they feel really heavy like I can’t remove them. They are not actually touching the eyes, though, just the areas around them.
    This is when I do palming while lying down.
    I don’t know about my boyfriend, or what’s going on with him, because I haven’t asked him that much about it or ever experienced that.
    I really like palming, too, I like to do it intermittently while reading my Snellen and it clears up nicely for a moment or two. I’m still unable to clear my Snellen very well, but I feel like the letters have gotten a lot darker.
    My left eye (well, both my eyes) are pretty sore and I think a little swollen right now. I used a heated eye bag on them for awhile (also to relieve the sinus pain I had). Now, my left eye feels less “bumpy” than the right eye, as if it is rounder. Does anyone know about this? I thought it might be keratocornea that I have that has been starting to relieve in the left eye, but I have no idea.
    And also, help the children! They’re the best hope we have!

  12. Nancy Says:

    Hi. The myopic eyeball is elongated which I always think of as an exaggerated reaching forward, straining to see. Following this theory (which is only mine), keratocornea would be even further straining, bringing the eyeball to a point. The relaxed eyeball is perfectly round, & I like to think of my eyeballs relaxing back into their sockets like a dish of pudding settling. When I put lotion on my face & my fingers brush over my eyeballs & they feel soft I feel good at this tangible sign that my eyes are relaxed, as they’ve felt hard & bulging to me in the past.

    For me, the letters on the chart are always very black when they are clear, but sometimes they’re black & not that clear (yet). So I think the blackness precedes the clarity, & like you, I look at it as a sign of improvement. Bates said to tell yourself on palming breaks between chart work “The letters are very black & the page is very white”, & it will become more so. Keep up the good work!

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